I remember the very first time I heard the term “electoral college.” I was 9 years old and in Mrs. Stanton’s 4th grade class. It was never truly explained to us, but I remember thinking why does this college decide who is the President instead of us. I don’t think that most people’s understanding of the Electoral College has become much clearer. Many think that it’s an antiquated system that needs to be done away with and that we should stick to the popular vote system only. Others believe that given that most of the “blue states” are on the east and west coast and most of the “red states” are in the middle, that the candidates would never focus on the voters who are in their opposing states and would thereby disenfranchise them.
I doubt that the Electoral College has ever seen more controversy than in 2000 after the Bush/Gore election, when the final count of electoral votes was decided by the Supreme Court. So, here we are again, smack dab in the middle of another squeaker of an election and I’m thinking that the Electoral College is once again going to be put under the microscope. So, in an effort to help all of us understand exactly who and what the Electoral College is, I decided to do a little research.
The Founding Fathers feared the direct popular election option. There were no organized national political parties yet, no structure by which to choose and limit the number of candidates. In addition, travel and communication was slow and difficult at that time. A very good candidate could be popular regionally, but remain unknown to the rest of the country. A large number of regionally popular candidates would thus divide the vote and not indicate the wishes of the nation as a whole.
Essentially, in an effort to compromise between those who wanted congress to decide the Presidency and those who wanted the states to decide, the Electoral College was devised. Obviously, following a parliamentary system of choosing the President would not work in a free society. There would be no separation of powers and we’d have the Legislative branch in bed with the Executive branch. The founders didn’t want differing factions in the country to gain too much power and thereby decide the elections, so each state was given their own set of electoral votes based on population. This way, a union faction, for instance wouldn’t get too much power, or a minority faction or a big business faction wouldn’t be able to have all the power in deciding the elections and there would have to be some compromise among the varying groups. These days, some would argue, and probably rightfully so, that big business decides the elections and that we as citizens have very little to say in the matter. However, that’s a discussion for another time.
So, each state is given a number of electoral votes depending on the size of their population. Each state has at least 3 electoral votes; 1 for each member of the House of Representatives and one for each member of Congress from their home state. So, states like South Dakota that have a lot of land mass, but not a large population would be given three electoral votes. However, a state like California which has a very large population but not as much land mass, would receive 55 electoral votes. Now, just to complicate matters even more, constitutionally, the electors don’t have to vote for who wins the popular vote in their state. Apparently, the founding fathers didn’t trust the masses to make up their own minds. However, through the years, an unwritten agreement has been made that the electors would in fact cast their votes for the candidate who won the popular vote in their states. Some states have enacted laws that prohibit electors from casting votes for the losing candidate, to ensure that only the candidate with the most popular votes receives the electoral votes.
Currently, there are a total of 538 electoral votes available. The first candidate to get to 270 votes wins the presidency. But, not so fast! What happens if nobody gets to 270, or if there’s a tie? Well, according to the 12th amendment, the house will vote on the Presidency. However, the senate votes on the Vice Presidency, so we could possibly see a Romney Presidency and a Biden Vice Presidency, but never fear, the chances of that happening are so slim, it’s not really worth considering.
So, once the election results are all finalized in the November election, the Electoral College meets in December to cast their votes for the winning candidate of the election. Why so late? Originally, it was because it took so long to count the hand cast ballots and to travel to wherever they were meeting in order to cast their votes. Now, it’s just done out of tradition and formality.
For those of us who are historically challenged, like I am, you may think that the 2000 election was the first time the Electoral College caused the winner of the popular vote to lose, but the winner of the Electoral College votes to win. Not so. We’ll talk about that in my next post.
I’m anxious to hear your opinions on the Electoral College. Do you think we should keep it or is it an antiquated system that needs to be disposed of? Leave your comments and let us know what you’re thinking.
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Full of angry people reading and believing everything that is posted. Look this up conservitards:
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Simple Google search for basic facts, not a verbal and written diarrhea spew of what you think is true…got this link through a person I know, who sent it to all the friends he knows…now all his friends are laughing at his lack of research on the topic…and now we all came to this site and can’t stop laughing at all the simple minded folk that actually follow and better BELIEVE any of this.
Stop being angry…he won, at least lose with dignity SEANO and all your angry followers. Go to school, get an education…and if you have one, then act like it! Spend your time looking ways to improve your community rather than tear down an already broken nation.
Losers.
Floyd Burdett
November 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm
IF the system is to be continued, the Electoral Votes should be “prorated” based on percentage of votes won by each candidate.
ie. Let’s say a State has 10 Electoral Votes, and a total of cast votes of 2 million.Candidate #1 gets 900,000 votes and Candidate #2 gets 1,100,000 votes. So #1 gets 4 Electoral Votes and #2 gets 6 Electoral Votes. Which ever Candidate gets the most votes gets the “tie-breaker”. If the Electoral votes are an odd number, then that would give the winner the ‘odd number’ as the ‘tie-breaker’.
THIS would still keep the Electoral Votes relatively representative of the Popular Votes!
This sounds like a good idea from Floyd Burdett to me. I would like to hear the pros and cons about this and what you think of his idea. I have a question and it is, If a large state has 55 electoral votes because of it’s population, what % of that population actually vote. I think if I lived in a state that is going to be a red state and I was blue why would I even brother to go vote?
Thank you
Excellent article Lisa and I’m looking forward to Mondays. I’ve never really paid that much attn to the electorial college even during or after the election of 2000. All I know is if the electorial college had not been there Al Gore, of all people, would of been pres during Sept.11, 2011, and that thought makes me shiver with fear. Thanks for posting this as I’m learning more and more about the political system, it helps to know the history behind it all. Good job girl..oxox
Good gosh!! I meant 2001…sorry
A “blonde” Republican is what is reallly scary!!!!!!!
Ummmm….what exactly is your problem with blonde republicans?
Another great and informative article, Lisa. Thanks for the refresher course.
Electoral votes are pointless & only make us feel threatened that maybe we can be outvoted. I know many people who dont vote bc they think the electoral college overrides them & makes them not count. We should do away with it!
That makes sense but now we have uneducated folks in congress too lol
Aimee, without the Electoral College and by using the popular vote only, the president would always be chosen by the voters in the half dozen largest cities and metropolitan areas in the country since they contain the majority of people. They would vote everytime for the candtidate that would promise to take the most from the rest of us and give it to the cities. Most of the people in most of the states would have no say.
Not so Aimee, if the electorial vote had not been there in 2000, Al Gore would of been the pres on Sept.11, 2001 and that thought should warn you of the consequences of thinking the Founders did not have the best intentions for the country as a whole..
Actually the more educated wealthy founding fathers such as Alexander Hamilton feared that the uneducated common citizen simply was not smart enough to chose a quilified president.
They may have been correct… for instance http://newsninja2012.com/obama-supporters-actually-hate-obamas-policies/
The electoral college is in place because of the wisdom of our Founding Fathers. I don’t want to become the leftovers of a East coast – West coast population vote. The middle of our country would see no need to even vote. It may not be perfect but it could be perfected by voter ID, checking current voters to see if they are still alive, etc. Lots of cheating can happen and probably does. After all, look at the current leadership….oh, wait, we’ll have an “investigation” on the Libia Tragedy and get back to you when we feel the time is right! Unreal! We need to get responsible fair and balanced across the board news reporting in our great country! Not everyone can afford cable and thus is stuck with traditional news broadcasters and what they want to report.
It’s in place so mob doesn’t rule…
You are sooo correct! We CANNOT have MOB RULE!!!
I have to say that my main question is still unanswered. Who are these people and how do they get their jobs? I looked all of this up before and I got all the information that you posted above but I still have yet to get an answer on this. If you can somehow find this information it would be greatly appreciated.
Cindi…great question! I’ll answer it for you in part two on Monday!
I need someone to really spell it out for me! I just don’t see how 9 mil voters in New York City could take away from 9 mil voters elsewhere in the country if they are all in one city or spread among several states. If all 9 mil in NYC vote democrat and let’s say 10 mil throughout North Dakota and Omaha vote republican, doesn’t that still mean all the other states’ votes counted the same? How does the electoral college change this? Seriously, I might be getting to the point of needing flashcards to understand this one!
Without the electoral college, presidential candidates would only have to campaign in NY and LA. There wouldn’t be enough votes in the other states to keep power in check. We live in a representative republic not a democracy. Our system is designed with the intent that the states run the federal system. Each state is sovereign, with its own constitution and laws. The ONLY purpose of the federal gov, is to protect our borders, provide security and to enforce the Constitution. Lately this has been forgotten and the balance of power is upside down. This is the United State’S’ of America not the the United State of America. When you educate yourself, you will come to understand that electoral college protects us. The founding fathers were geniuses!
Amen!
Great answer Kirk. I couldn’t have answered it better myself. Too bad the Leftists don’t understand it (then again, perhaps they do).
The was by far the greatest idea the founding fathers ever had if you think there is corruption now wait till only 7 states are required to win the Presidency.
Right on! I am amazed at the ignorance about the electoral college. A true demonstration of our failed education system.
No more electoral college, the dark ages are gone, let the people vote.
As was stated by others here, we are not a democracy, we are a represntitive republic. Pure democracy is actually mob rule.
Dump it. This is why we all go to voting polls, so our individual Vote will be counted. Electoral College is a scam, which 538 elect our President that to me is not counting my vote. Dump it.
I think the Electoral College should stay like it is. It’s one of the last vestiges of State’s Rights and I’m all for maintaining it.
Totally agree
EC is outdated! Must go…not as many swing states any more.
ELECTORIAL COLLEGE MUST GO!!!!!!
IF the system is to be continued, the Electoral Votes should be “prorated” based on percentage of votes won by each candidate.
ie. Let’s say a State has 10 Electoral Votes, and a total of cast votes of 2 million. Candidate #1 gets 900,000 votes and Candidate #2 gets 1,100,000 votes. So #1 gets 4 Electoral Votes and #2 gets 6 Electoral Votes. Which ever Candidate gets the most votes gets the “tie-breaker”. If the Electoral votes are an odd number, then that would give the winner the ‘odd number’ as the ‘tie-breaker’.
THIS would still keep the Electoral Votes relatively representative of the Popular Votes!
In this day and age of computers and smartphones, i think we should use the popular vote.
Who is to say whether i or anyone else agrees with the 3-55 people who form the Electoral College for individual states?
I also believe in showing a photo ID to vote to keep it fair and legal so no illegals in the country can vote.
William, I am certainly willing to completely eliminate the Electoral College — for the very reason you stated…no ‘control’ over how those people cast their vote, regardless of how the people they represent actually voted!
But the ‘problem’ with computers (personal) and SmartPhones is the very thing you mentioned in the second part of your comment….ID.
With individual voting, such as on a smartphone, it will be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to verify ID’s and citizenship!
Love the photo ID to vote. Also keeps deceased individuals from voting.
A popular vote election would disenfranchise the small states, but to adopt the system based on congressional districts would almost entirely remove the red state vs blue state dynamic and would make every vote more valuable. For instance, I am in a blue state but in a red district, so instead of my vote being somewhat worthless in a state system where winner takes all, my vote would be more important as my district would equalize the larger urban population’s blue support.
Have no problem with our election system as long as it is assured that it is HONEST! We have already seen that voter fraud is prevalent in some areas and some electronic voting machines are less than dependable. We have become a nation of liars and thieves and it is reprehensible that we can no longer trust our government to hold fair elections.
Lisa what a great informative article. I knew most of it but I needed to brush up on it. Be careful….you are so good at putting things in understandable terms I might be asking you more questions.!
Thanks Lynda!!! That’s a really kind thing to say. Don’t worry, ask away. If I don’t have the answer, I’ll just make it up! LOL
Haha if I don’t have an answer ill make it up. You crack me up
. ~~Seano
Too many people running for the Oval Office is already making up answers!!!!!!! You are too informed and wise to write such a dumb thing. That one sentence makes me doubt all of your writings!!!
S.T. you seem to feel the need to start an argument with me, and I’m not sure why. It was a joke. I would never make up an answer to a question that someone asked me. You need to get over yourself and chill out. By the way, feel free to fact check anything you see that I have written on this site. If you ever have proof that I have been incorrect, I will personally retract any statement I have made that was not true.
Keep the electoral college
I think by now the popular vote should be the deciding vote. Afterall, the if the House and Senate were to be ruled by one party and the other party candidate wins the popular vote, who’s to say that that electoral will vote the way they are supposed to? I also feel that this is the reason that most of the younger generation does not vote. My own son (19 years old and active-duty deployed military) said to me: “Mom, why should I bother to vote? My vote doesn’t make a difference, it all comes down to the electoral college.” At least if the popular vote was the only vote, we the people would have the choice and each and every vote would count.
Hate the electoral college and always have. It is antiquated and should be obsolete. The constitution needs to be updated to reflect the 21st century.
NO on “updating” the Constitution!! Obama also needs to leave it alone.